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Old 02-16-2014   #1
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Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

I'm in negotiation with a guy to buy a Wee shock that has been modified by the famous--or infamous--Sasquatch. Says it has a spring rated for 225#, which is just a bit heavier than I'd net out with gear and luggage. (Yeah, Bannister! I'm NOT lying about my weight.)

I'm not familiar with the SQ mods, so anyone that has had the mod done to their shock--DB, Hyflyer, Jeff--chime in. Would this be too much spring? Is it better to be underrated than too firm? What kinds of adjustability do I gain with the modded shock? Does it retain the factory pre-load adjustment? How much I should offer for this used shock? FYI, this is NOT an exchange, so I'd keep my stock shock.

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Old 02-16-2014   #2
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

I installed one of his rebuilt Showa shocks on a BMW RS a few years ago. It was a factory BMW unit "rebuilt" and re-sprung. It was 2/3 the cost of a Hagon (which they don't make for the RS anymore) and 1/2 the cost of the Ohlins. The Sasquatch rebuild looked a little rough when I installed it, and only lasted around 15,000 miles. I kinda wanted it to work (for a cheap replacement), but in my opinion it really didn't.
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Old 02-16-2014   #3
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

A Sasquatch shock looks stock except for new spring and a Schrader valve welded in the top. It has a custom shim stack, valving and oil inside. You retain the remote preload adjuster and rebound adjustment. You should be able to have anybody service the shock once it's had the Sasquatch treatment.... doesn't have to be Jay (since he's, ummmmmm, indisposed at the moment I hear).

I think Jay pretty much used the same (10kg/mm) spring rate on most folks shocks unless your requested weight was way out. I'm prolly 250# geared up and generally ride around with 3 (of 5) lines of preload on mine while solo on the street. Dial it all the way up (5 lines) when 2up or loaded for touring or almost all the way down (1 - 1 1/2 lines) for off-road. I would bet your 225# shock is the same (10kg/mm spring) as mine and should work just fine.

As far as how I like it ..... I love it I'm very happy with the ride and feel. Matches well with my front set up (.95 sonics with gold valves and 15w/20w blend for about a 17.5ish w lol and fork brace from that dude in KY). It's a bit stiff for off road stuff but really shines brightest when kickin' ass on twisty rough back roads (which is what I requested). You may know them as "goat paths".

I've had it on several years now with about 45k miles on it with no leaks or problems (and I'm not easy on my 'strom). Still feels great. So yeah, I'm a happy customer and would say you can't go wrong with picking up a used one. I paid $400ish (+ or -), can't remember exactly, from Jay himself inc.

So, as to your specific questions ......

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Would this be too much spring?
I don't think so ... likely the 10kg/mm spring and it'll do just fine.


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Is it better to be underrated than too firm?
I don't know. (but Bannister would rather be "lucky" than "good")


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What kinds of adjustability do I gain with the modded shock? Does it retain the factory pre-load adjustment?
Adjustability remains the same ... preload and rebound. You do gain SERVICABILITY (according to Jay but I have not tried to have mine serviced yet) .... now your shock can be serviced where the stocker could not.


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How much I should offer for this used shock?
Well, I guess you can't get a fresh one from Jay so used is the ONLY market for a Sasquatch shock. How many miles on it? (I would guess anything over 30k I would consider freshening it up before install ($75-$100??) I would think somewhere under $200 if it wasn't high mileage and $100 or less if it was.


You can ride my 'strom and get a feel for it any time you like.


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Old 02-16-2014   #4
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

Scott: Any idea what the Schrader valve accomplishes?
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Old 02-17-2014   #5
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

I don't think that Sasquatch will ever be back in business - since he is the slammer since 2012 for kiddie porn. He plead guilty to two counts and was sentenced, not sure for how long.

Bill, you ought to start building shocks on the side... with all the time you have on your hands
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

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Scott: Any idea what the Schrader valve accomplishes?
That's how you (shop) gets the nitrogen charge out/in
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

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That's how you (shop) gets the nitrogen charge out/in

Or in other words a bung is welded in so its a standardized fitting for the nitrogen... I rode Scott's bike and the valving works great, I would bet he did change the spring the stock spring are for about a 160 pound riders.

The problem with a heavily oversprung bike is it can't use the compression & rebound because its hard to overcome the spring rate..


I would think you could get away with being over 25# seeing how you carry luggage and take trips...
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

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I'm in negotiation with a guy to buy a Wee shock that has been modified by the famous--or infamous--Sasquatch. Says it has a spring rated for 225#, which is just a bit heavier than I'd net out with gear and luggage. (Yeah, Bannister! I'm NOT lying about my weight.)

I'm not familiar with the SQ mods, so anyone that has had the mod done to their shock--DB, Hyflyer, Jeff--chime in. Would this be too much spring? Is it better to be underrated than too firm? What kinds of adjustability do I gain with the modded shock? Does it retain the factory pre-load adjustment? How much I should offer for this used shock? FYI, this is NOT an exchange, so I'd keep my stock shock.


You could measure the diameter of the new shock spring and count how many coils it has and compare that to stock... the spring only holds the bike up while you sit on it. As long as you could get a reasonable amount of sag you'll be good to go. Its just a range or zone you need to be in. When my bike loaded all the way down my preload is cranked all the way down..

My Stock spring was always cranked all the way without any extra luggage so when I loaded my bike down I only had 50% availability of my shock travel....and it rode like a chopper, So sometimes when I not loaded down I also crank the preload down ( maybe not max) for spirited riding just depends on my mood...
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Old 02-17-2014   #9
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

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That's how you (shop) gets the nitrogen charge out/in
How often does the shock need to be recharged? Presume that the seals don't maintain high pressure foreverů.
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

If it doesn't leak only when you rebuild it!
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

I would say the shock your looking at has the 10.0kg/mm spring on it (same as mine). When I spec'd mine, Jay told me that the 10.0 was his favorite general purpose spring to put on a strom.

That said, I weigh 250# geared up and like my preload at about 3 lines (roughly 3mm) sooooo.....

If you take out 3mm of preload on a 10kg/mm spring (3x10= 30kg or 66lbs) that would be about right for a 184# rider @ zero preload.(250-66 lbs)

I think you'll be in the range and just fine with a 10.0
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Old 02-18-2014   #12
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

Hey .... guess who found some pics!

<----- THIS GUY



Shock w/black spring is a minty fresh DL1000 Sasquatch special and the dirty looking one with the silver spring is the DL650 stocker that came out


A nice close up of the welded in Schrader valve


a little blurry
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Hey .... guess who found some pics!

<----- THIS GUY



Shock w/black spring is a minty fresh DL1000 Sasquatch special and the dirty looking one with the silver spring is the DL650 stocker that came out


A nice close up of the welded in Schrader valve


a little blurry
How's the shock been so far? I'm currently looking to replace my stock fork springs first, but I'd love to then venture onto the shock replacement... I feel ok, I guess? But I don't know what a good rear shock feels like on the Wee.
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Old 03-15-2016   #14
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This is a very interesting thread that came up when I was researching inexpensive fixes to the wee rear shock

Apparently, the BMW 1100RT rear shock can be ***used*** on the v strom with some minor adjustments.

The OP on this thread has has great success.... http://www.stromtrooper.com/showthread.php?t=76893

I'm tempted to go down this route for kicks. Not immediately, but in the near future..... thoughts?

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Old 03-15-2016   #15
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Re: Sasquatch shock rebuild for Wee--Info, pls?

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How's the shock been so far? I'm currently looking to replace my stock fork springs first, but I'd love to then venture onto the shock replacement... I feel ok, I guess? But I don't know what a good rear shock feels like on the Wee.
I've had zero problems with the Sasquatch rebuild shock. If you find one out there, I would recommend it.

My personal opinion is --> suspension is the place to spend some money. A nice rear shock is the most expensive but you can spring the forks for your weight and add some gold valves or intiminators along with a fork brace for probably under $300.00. It is so much more enjoyable to pilot a bike with nice suspension that is properly set up. Tracking on line through the bumps equals safety for you and added problem solving abilities (If you need me to talk to your wife/gf/kids/mother/etc I can talk them into buying your new shock for you because they do want you to be as safe as possible don't they?)

Another easy performance upgrade for the strom is to swap in some HH brake pads. It makes a worthwhile difference in stopping power.

A weestrom is a very capable do everything machine (as I'm sure you have found as well). I hope I can get out on my momo-sickles more this year!

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